Friday, January 4, 2013

Crotchety Mr. Gruff, The Atheist--He thinks he has it all figured out

First, a little hat-tip to the ever-loveable, ex-priest, Edward Tarte, for posting this photo on his Facebook wall.  I don't normally write entries about comment trolls and e-mails that insult me for my atheism or question my sincerity.  Most people who visit my blog and comment  are wonderful and respectful people.

I've also seen blogs turn into petty back and forth bickering about who said what and why certain comments sounded rude in tone, etc. etc.  Such blog posts are boring and time-consuming.  I've been guilty of such back-and-forth in the past, with Baptist apologist James White, and I simply don't want to make this a regular habit.

At the same time, I've received multiple comments on the blog and in e-mail form, telling me that I think  know everything now that I'm an atheist.  Instead of dignifying any one particular comment with a direct quote, I'll borrow the sentiment expressed on this goofy atheist flier:

"Atheists such as crotchety old Mr. Gruff think they've got it all figured out"

There seems to be a misconception that all atheists are little know-it-alls.  They think they have all the answers and will confidently assert their beliefs and opinions while ignoring the views of others.   There is a clear anti-atheist bias here, and I argue that it is not me, the atheist, who claims to have it all figured out.  Rather, certain Theists want to think they have atheists figured out and/or wish to see "faith" as the default position, rather than skepticism.  I've seen this bias manifest itself  in presuppositional apologetics on the Protestant side and Anselmian "faith seeking understanding" on the Catholic side.  Both lead to the idea that faith is the only accepted starting point for knowledge and conclude that the atheist is flawed on a fundamental level.

The Presuppositionalist apologist will psychologize the atheist, claiming that a person doesn't believe in God because he or she doesn't want to be held accountable for their actions.  They will use Romans 1:18-20 to justify such a claim:

 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and wickedness of those who by their wickedness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 Ever since the creation of the world his eternal power and divine nature, invisible though they are, have been understood and seen through the things he has made. So they are without excuse; (NRSV)

In other words, the Bible says that God has revealed himself to everyone in the natural world.  Those who say that there is no evidence to support the existance of God or do not believe in God are simply surpressing their knowledge of the truth.    As R.C. Sproul declares to atheists:

Your problem with the existence of God is not intellectual.  It's not because there is insufficient information.  It's not because God's manifestation of himself has been obscured.  Your problem is not intellectual, it's moral.  Your problem is not that you can't know God.  Your problem is that you don't want God. (11:42)

The presuppositional apologist simply refuses to trust a skeptic, or believe her claims.  "She just thinks she knows everything, but really she just doesn't want to acknowledge her sin before a holy and righteous God.The atheist thinks they have it all figured because they do not want to acknowledge God.

The experience of becoming an atheist, at least in my own life, was and is actually quite different.  I followed the teachings of the Catholic Church, whether I liked them or not.  In many ways, I'm the stereotypical goody-goody.  Little has changed in my life since I stopped believing in God.  I never sought to become an atheist, and even when I had reached that conclusion, I had difficulty letting go of the comfortable idea of an afterlife.  I wanted to believe because Christian faith is a comfortable way to view the world, and it can provide quick answers.  Now that I'm an atheist, I no longer have a catechism or a creed to look at for guidance.  Far from believing I have everything figured out, I'm starting at square-1 and trying to put together the pieces of what I believe.  I use this blog to work out these thoughts.

While presuppositional apologetics are not as popular for Catholics as they are for Protestants, Catholics do believe that faith should be the default position for gaining knowledge and understanding the world.  Anselm expressed this as "Fides quaerens intellectum," or "faith seeking understanding."    The idea of "faith seeking understanding" is closely connected to Anselm's ontological argument for the existence of God--an argument I find unconvincing for the simple reason that my ability to imagine the existence of something doesn't mean that it necessarily, does in fact, exist. 

As a Catholic, I was told that it was okay to have doubts, but to always search for answers within the context of the faith.  To deviate form the path of faith was to submit myself to spiritual blindness.  Theism, and Christianity more specifically, should be the default starting position of any rational and moral person, not atheism, so I used to believe.  My nagging doubts never went away, and here I am as uncertain as ever.  The difference is that now I view atheism as the natural default position.  I'm open to evidence regarding the existence of God, but so far I've found the arguments against the existence of God more convincing than the arguments for the existence of God.  Yet again, I do not think I have all the answers, I've simply switched my default-frame of thinking as I discover more about the world

8 comments:

  1. Somebody I listened to in a discussion (Dennett or Harris, one of those two) pointed out a lot of the points that you made here, and added that a lot of the tricks of presuppositional apologists (it's pretty easy when they put the name of the fallacy they're about to commit right in their title) and Anselmian or Thomian apologists use, have parallels with simple con men. For instance they make a virtue out of trust, they appeal to emotion rather than fact, and the minute you start expressing any suspicion about what they're doing, they get all hurt on you, play the hurt feelings card, and remind you how wonderful taking it on faith is.

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  2. LOL. Atheists think they have all the answers? says who? funny. They are some of the few people I know who admit that they don't know much about how we got here, etc. The people I know who are most certain about everything are the Baptists (Buddhists fall closely behind atheists at not having answers, and most universalists admit that they don't know either).

    Oddly, my sister, my dad, and a friend of mine were just talking about this tonight. My sister is extremely opened to all ideas and hasn't gone to church in her adult life.

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  3. I am not one to say Atheists think they know it all BUT Atheists do tend to put out that persona by pushing out the 'Rational' card and mocking anything that looks like a religious ideology. I believe this 'rational' card is to blame. What do you think?

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    1. Yes, JW, I agree....the implication that others are not free thinkers if they believe in a god. Christians, and western people in general, say the same about Buddhists. They think because they believe in karma, denying the obvious cause for a more obscure cause (he had a wreck not because he is careless but because he did something bad in his past life); and reincarnation (and then basing this belief on a grandchild that looks like his grandfather, or a dream of a past life) that this means Buddhists are not rational. This what I've learn:

      1) Most people can't tell you a clue about why they believe what they believe. Most Christians have no good answers and most Buddhists have no good answers. If I knew many atheists born secular instead of converts to atheism (who really, really know what they believe), I'm sure its the same thing. (Meet some of these online. "Because I don't see God, he doesn't exists." That answer doesn't fly for me because 1) I don't even know if my senses give reality or not to begin with 2) a spiritual world, by definition, is not the physical world; and we are trapped in a physical body, physical senses, etc. Doesn't prove God, but doesn't disprove either.)

      2) There is always the rational person and exception. There are scholarly Buddhists. Their cause and effect relationship isn't more irrational than ours. There are Christians who have evaluated many other religions and are scholarly. Not that knowing a few cheesy answers makes a person intelligent, but I found the quiz extremely easy, and I'm sure many of my circle of Christian friends would too. (Admittedly, it would be hard for me to not know the major religion in Indonesia given where I live.)

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  4. Note (not that they wouldn't agree with the provided quote), R.C. Sproul is an opponent of presuppositional apologetics, as I recall.

    http://www.amazon.com/Classical-Apologetics-John-H-Gerstner/dp/0310449510

    -Ian

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    1. R.C. Sproul WAS an opponent of presuppositional apologetics early in his career. The way I understand it...he was schooled in a debate regarding the usefulness of presuppositional apologetics, and after that he became a defender of it. You can see him use the technique in the video I posted, and in the book in the photo. I discovered Sproul after his "conversion" to presuppositional apologetics.

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  5. Hi Kacy,
    I was browsing your site and saw that you had a lot of the same concerns that I used to have about God and Christianity. I totally agree that you shouldn't just live by faith -- it is so important to use our REASON.

    However, I have found

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  6. that is is possible to believe in God AND still use our reason.

    First, when a person walks into a neatly trimmed garden or an organized room, his/her first thought is that someone/something must have organized these places according to certain design.Similarly, our universe is also "organized" because it operates according to certain laws. For example, an oak tree will always grow from the acorn of another oak tree, and the robin in the oak tree will always make his nest like that of all other robins.

    The order governing the natural world indicates that some other Being created and designed the universe. Things just don't organize themselves!

    Science itself suggests that Someone or Something designed this world because it supposes that everything is governed by natural laws and that no orderly design can cause itself. In fact,the second law of thermodynamics is that nature, if left to itself, tends toward entropy (disorder).)

    Just throwing that out there! One more thing: Let's just say that you are right and that there is no God. Well, eventually we will all die and IT WON'T MATTER that you didn't believe in God and I believed in God.

    However, let's say that there IS a God. Then, when I die I will be really relieved that I believed in Him and tried my best to live according to His laws!

    So, believing in God is really a win-win. Worst case scenario: it DOESN'T MATTER at all what I believe in because there is no God. (And, incidentally I may have a happier earthly life than many others because religion can be very emotionally satisfying.) Best case scenario: I am right and God rewards me.

    So, those are two arguments, using reason, why it is important to believe in God,

    Again really not trying to have a huge debate or be nasty. Just giving you my reasons for believing in God, just like you gave me your reasons for not believing in God.

    Good luck on your journey to find the truth!

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